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With Preet out this week, Joyce interviews Lee Gelernt, the Deputy Director of the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project. 

The exclusive portion of the interview for members of CAFE Insider begins at 47:21

Gelernt is one of the country’s leading civil rights lawyers. During the Trump administration, he filed lawsuits challenging the White House’s most draconian immigration policies, including the ban on individuals from certain Muslim-majority countries and the family separation policy at the border. Now, Gelernt is actively litigating a case against the Biden administration for its use of a Trump-era public health policy to expel migrants at the border. 

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Joyce Vance:

Hey, you all. Joyce here. Preet is out this week. Instead of our usual episode of CAFE Insider, I’m excited to be speaking with one of the country’s leading public interest lawyers, Lee Gelernt. Since joining the ACLU in 1992, Lee has argued high profile national security, immigration and civil rights cases. Perhaps most famously, Lee led the charge against the Trump administration’s immigration policies. He filed the first lawsuit challenging the ban of individuals from certain Muslim majority countries. He filed a national class action challenge to the administration’s family separation policy.

In recent weeks, Lee has been litigating against the Biden administration over its continued use of a Trump era policy that he explains use public health laws as an excuse to expel immigrant families at the border. I’m thrilled to have him as a guest on the podcast. Welcome, Lee.

Lee Gelernt: