• Show Notes

In this excerpt from the CAFE Insider podcast, Preet Bharara and Joyce Vance discuss special counsel Robert Hur’s interview with President Joe Biden as part of the classified documents probe. They also break down the reporting by ABC News that special counsel Jack Smith has obtained testimony that former President Donald Trump shared classified information about U.S. nuclear submarines with an Australian billionaire at Mar-a-Lago.

In the full episode, Preet and Joyce discuss:

  • The start of Trump’s civil fraud trial in New York;
  • Trump’s invocation of presidential immunity in his motion seeking dismissal of DOJ’s election interference criminal charges; and
  • The bribery charges against New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez.

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Tamara Sepper – Executive Producer; Jake Kaplan – Editorial Producer; Nat Weiner – Audio Producer


“Special Counsel Interviewed Biden About Classified Documents,” NYT, 10/9/23

“Trump allegedly discussed US nuclear subs with foreign national after leaving White House: Sources,” ABC News, 10/5/23

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CAFE Insider 10/10: Fraud & Bribery