• Show Notes

In this excerpt from the CAFE Insider podcast, Preet Bharara and Joyce Vance discuss two issues from Donald Trump’s 2020 election criminal case making the headlines: (1) whether a judge should adopt the government’s version of a protective order to limit Donald Trump’s ability to make details of the case public; and (2) Trump claims that he cannot receive a fair trial in D.C. suggesting that Judge Tanya Chutkan should recuse herself given her past rulings, and that the case should be moved from D.C. to West Virginia.

In the full episode, Preet and Joyce discuss:

  • Trump’s potential defenses in the election case, and whether, in order to secure a conviction, prosecutors will need to prove that Trump knew that he lost the 2020 election;
  • Whether former Trump aides, including Mark Meadows and the unnamed co-conspirators in the indictment, are cooperating with investigators; and
  • The existence of an out-of-district grand jury that continues to investigate the classified documents matter, as revealed by Judge Cannon in a recent order.

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United States of America v. Donald J. Trump, U.S. District Court District of Columbia, response in opposition to Government’s motion for protective order, 8/7/23

United States of America v. Donald J. Trump, U.S. District Court District of Columbia, protective order governing discovery and authorizing disclosure of grand jury testimony, 8/4/23

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CAFE Insider 8/8: Protective Orders & Trump Defenses