What does it mean to be undocumented? And is it always illegal? In an excerpt from this week’s Insider episode, Preet Bharara and Joyce Vance discuss whether violations of immigration law are treated as civil offenses or criminal acts under U.S. law.

In the full episode, Preet and Joyce break down a new bill in Congress that would ban lawmakers from trading stocks. Plus, why president Donald Trump is exempt from the bill.

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