Why do so many see rioters as patriots? Has apathy become a bigger threat than violence? The lead investigator in the House Select Committee to investigate the January 6th attack on the Capitol, Tim Heaphy, joins Preet to discuss the evolving narrative around the insurrection, the push for pardons, and how distrust in government has eroded faith in public institutions. Heaphy is out with a new book, Harbingers: What January 6 and Charlottesville Reveal About Rising Threats to American Democracy, an insider’s account of these seminal events and where we go from here. 

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Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Editorial Producer: Noa Azulai; Associate Producer: Claudia Hernández; Deputy Editor: Celine Rohr; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio Producers: Matthew Billy and Nat Weiner.

REFERENCES & SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS: 

Q&A:

• “Merrick Garland Only Plans To Release Half Of Jack Smith’s Final Trump Report,” Forbes, 1/8/25

INTERVIEW:

• Tim Heaphy, “Harbingers: What January 6 and Charlottesville Reveal About Rising Threats to American Democracy,” Steerforth Press, 12/31/24
• Tim Heaphy and Preet Bharara, “Inside the January 6 Investigation,” CAFE, 1/19/23
• Sam Harris and Preet Bharara, “Mind Over Brain Rot,” CAFE, 12/5/24
• “These Are the People Who Died in Connection With the Capitol Riot,” NYT, 10/13/22