Preet Bharara:

From CAFE and the Vox Media Podcast Network, this is Stay Tuned In Brief. I’m Preet Bharara. Doug Emhoff is this country’s first Second Gentleman, and after November, hopefully our first First Gentleman too. His wife, Vice President Kamala Harris has emerged as the Democratic Party’s almost certain nominee for president, following President Joe Biden’s historic decision to pull out of the presidential race. Mr. Emhoff, a former entertainment lawyer, has devoted himself throughout his wife’s term to advocating for reproductive freedoms and combating antisemitism. Even though he’s likely one of the busiest people in the country right now, he took the time to join me to talk about what the past few days have been like, the challenges ahead and his important advocacy work. He also had a few choice words for both Donald Trump and J. D. Vance. Mr. Second Gentleman, Doug Emhoff, it’s an honor to have you on the show, thanks so much.

Doug Emhoff:

Thanks for having me, Preet. It’s been a while.

Preet Bharara:

It’s been a while. I haven’t seen in a while. A couple of things have happened in your life since-

Doug Emhoff:

A little bit, a little bit.

Preet Bharara:

… since we last broke bread. I want to say a couple of things off the bat. Number one, congratulations to you and the Vice President for everything that’s gone on in the last week and everything that’s gone on in the prior number of years. Number two, it will not come as a surprise to our listeners or to you that I’m a huge fan of the Vice President. I go back with her a long way. She was the Attorney General in California when I was U.S. Attorney. We did some events together and had a friendship. And I know how busy you must be, especially this week, so I appreciate the time. Could you give us a sense of what the last week has been like for you and Kamala Harris? Has it been exciting, daunting, surreal, all of the above, something different?

Doug Emhoff:

It’s a little bit of all that, but it’s also, it’s just what we’re seeing out in America right now, in the world, in the reaction is kind of what we’re both feeling. We’re feeling the energy, we’re feeling the passion of the American people. I was just in Maine a couple of days ago, and I think the whole town came out and it just felt very kinetic to do that. And it’s also a moment to reflect on Joe Biden, who we both love so much, and the emotion of what’s happened. And the moment that we had in Wilmington, I literally was choked up because, Preet, I was actually in LA when all this went down on Sunday, so we weren’t even together. And I had done an event in Phoenix on Friday, and since we still have our home in LA, I thought, “Well, let me just take this chance to sleep in my own bed Friday night, see my parents on Saturday, see my son and his new wife, and just take a breather.” Because I’d still been on the campaign, the Biden-Harris campaign, working really hard.

And then of course there was the flight issue, so I was actually stuck in Los Angeles. I couldn’t get out as it turned out until Monday. So I called my wife, Kamala, I say, “Hey honey, I know you’re not going to love this, but I’m stuck here. I’ll see my parents again. I’ll see the kids again and I’ll see you Monday. Sorry.” And she was like, “Oh, okay. Well, it’s Sunday. I’m doing a bunch of prep and just enjoy the day.” And then of course, I decided to go to a SoulCycle with some buddies in West Hollywood-

Preet Bharara:

As one does on a day like-

Doug Emhoff:

Hold on, check this out, the class was from 9:30 Pacific to 10:30, so around that time. And so I get out of the class, and I don’t have my phone, the phone’s in the car. And I’m just sitting having coffee with my friends and back and forth, a couple of people said hi. And all of the sudden my friend’s partner gives me his phone. He said, “I think you need to see this.” I said, “What?” “It’s a letter from the president.” “Is that real? It looks…” “No, it’s on the president’s account.” And of course, Preet, you know this being a really good lawyer, we always start every document at the end, not the beginning.

So I looked at the end and it was, “I will address the American people later this week.” And I thought, “Okay, he is coming out of COVID, maybe this is his way of coming back.” And my friend’s friend said, “Look at the prior line.” And I looked at it and I said, “I got to go.” So I ran, ran, the car was a block or so away, Secret Service, running behind me. Got into the car, pulled out my phone, and my phone was literally like self-immolated. You could feel the smoke coming out of that phone. And of course it was a series of messages, “Call Kamala. Call Kamala.” And I got them from the kids, everyone in the family was like, “Where are you? Call Kamala.” So I finally call and she was, “Where the … were you?”

Preet Bharara:

Can say it, you can say it.

Doug Emhoff:

“Where the … were you.” And I’m trying to like, “Okay, just, I didn’t have my phone. What’s going on?” So we had a very brief conversation and she basically said, “I got to go. I’m making calls.” And my next call was to Cole and Ella, and then I basically started-

Preet Bharara:

Your children.

Doug Emhoff:

Those are our children. And then I started burning calls. It was another 15 minute drive. And as soon as I got to our home in LA, I brewed a pot of coffee. I set up my own little war room on our little kitchen table. I had my laptop, my iPad, my phone, my notebook, and it’s like, “Okay, I don’t know what I’m doing.” Then all of a sudden phone’s ringing. And I was connected with her and her team, but it was a bizarre, surreal experience to then have to go through this alone in LA while she was in DC doing all this.

Now, the next time I saw her wasn’t until Monday because I finally was able to get a flight early Monday morning, it was right to Wilmington. So literally the first time I saw her was that amazing scene at Wilmington HQ where we were going to just thank the team and get the campaign going. And so I really saw her and then got pushed on stage as I’m hearing President Biden’s emotional, incredible words to us. And I got up there and everyone in the world saw me up there getting choked up talking about the president and now talking about our next president, Kamala Harris.

And then since then, it’s just been, we’ve been out on the road. You’ve seen her day after day, just again being an amazing leader and making the case both as prosecutor against felon and also as somebody with a vision for the future. And she’s out there doing it. I cannot tell you how proud I am of her, but also, I’ve not spent much time with her because we’re both on the road. So we haven’t had that hour and a half conversation of, “Wow, this is kind of amazing.” We’re just moving. We’re just moving fast. So I think that’s it in a nutshell.

Preet Bharara:

It’s important that you spend time with me also, Doug.

Doug Emhoff:

No, it’s-

Preet Bharara:

What I find amazing is I mentioned on the podcast earlier this week, that I was in an information deficit on an airplane, and I saw that tweet and I saw the letter, but I didn’t know if it was real. I wanted some corroboration of it. And now I discover in this conversation with you that you yourself had no informational advantage over me.

Doug Emhoff:

None. Actually, none. And-

Preet Bharara:

In the first couple of minutes.

Doug Emhoff:

… also to be physically apart was very difficult. Because I had already been gone a few days, because remember I said I was in Phoenix. So we love each other and we like to be together. And to go through something that’s monumental was… Now, I’m not saying it was difficult, it was just something that we’ve experienced a little differently. But now, I think in the fleeting moments we have together, it’s just, look, we got a hundred days to save our country. So I’ll see you kind of when it’s over. If we get a few minutes together like we did this morning, great. And if not, it’s like we know what we’re doing and why we’re doing it, and there’s no question. And we’re building out the team. We are putting the schedule together. It’s filling up. I’m taking some events next week. I’m going to Paris still to represent our country for the closing ceremonies of the Olympics. We’ve got the convention right after that. And it’s go time, and we’ll just be traveling the country, making the case for Kamala Harris.

Preet Bharara:

Good. Can you share with us whether or not the Vice President told you that when you become First Gentleman, you always need to have your phone with you and fully charged?

Doug Emhoff:

I think she told that to me right after that incident.

Preet Bharara:

So you say you’re going all over the country, where are you going to be going? What are going to be the target states… Are they the obvious ones we know or are there battlegrounds that we don’t know about?

Doug Emhoff:

Well, I think the map has really changed. I think Kamala Harris being on the ticket, and the enthusiasm, and the excitement you’re seeing not only record-breaking fundraising, you’re seeing record-breaking engagement, especially with younger people. You’re seeing these Zoom calls that we’re doing where it’s breaking Zoom. There’s over a hundred thousand people. So we’re going to go and compete all over the country. So I’m going to Wisconsin tomorrow, I’m just trying to remember my schedule, but Massachusetts… Yeah, I’m going to New Hampshire and Maine next week. Then of course I’ve got to get ready to go to the Olympics. We’ll be in Chicago for the convention. And then we are in the process of building out my particular schedule. I imagine I’ll be going to Michigan and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, but I’ll also be going in Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina. I think everything’s back on the board. And just like it was in 2020 when Biden/Harris won those states and almost won North Carolina. So I think it’s all back in play.

You are seeing immediately within a few days, the polls already have tightened just within two or three days. So we’re going to continue again to put out that message of this is a binary election. You’ve got a convicted felon who was a terrible president the first time. And I think people are now remembering that, there was this weird Trump amnesia that was, “Oh, he was pretty good before COVID.” No, he wasn’t. He was terrible before COVID. And COVID was one of the biggest, if not biggest derelictions of duty by any administration and president in our history. And then, oh, by the way, an insurrection right after that. So I think people are remembering that and then seeing him flail right now.

Preet Bharara:

Well, he’s backing off on the debate.

Doug Emhoff:

This is what bullies do, Preet. You know that, you’ve face down bullies your whole life and you know who he is and how he operates. He is a complete bully and blowhard. And every time you call a bully and a blowhard out, look what happens, they back down because they’ve got no guts. And Trump, can you imagine him debating Kamala Harris? I mean, come on.

Preet Bharara:

Well, I have said that they should debate every week.

Doug Emhoff:

She said, “Bring it on.” You saw her yesterday.

Preet Bharara:

I did.

Doug Emhoff:

So they’re flailing. Then you got this J. D. Vance guy who is a complete weird-

Preet Bharara:

Well, I want to ask you about that.

Doug Emhoff:

He’s just a weird dude. He’s an extremist, he’s an opportunist. Some of the things he’s said are just, like I said, it’s just weird. And-

Preet Bharara:

It’s not just weird, can I cite back to you? I’m sure you’ve been asked this question, and it’s been in the news a lot, a couple of statements he made some time ago, not that long ago though, where he said that people who haven’t had their own children don’t really have a direct stake in the country’s future. And he referred to Democrats as, “A bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices they’ve made.” And he included in that description, Kamala Harris, who of course has been, as you have described, and others have described, a stepmom, a Mamala to your two children from a previous marriage. And something fairly extraordinary, I think for families to hear is that your ex-wife put out an incredibly strong and supportive statement about the vice president’s role in your family and in helping to raise her stepchildren. Do you have a reaction to this from J. D. Vance?

Doug Emhoff:

Of course, what he said was abhorrent. It was stupid, uninformed. And I think the reaction of not only the country but the world. Look at what Jennifer Aniston said. I mean, it has touched a chord in a way that has just upset nearly everyone because everyone’s family is their family. So you’re telling a lot of people in this country and this world that they don’t matter, that the only thing that matters is this so-called old-fashioned view of a traditional “family”. And it is so abhorrent, and I am so proud of Kirsten who we love so much, and we are so close, and we have co-parented the three of us so brilliantly and seamlessly, and it hurt. It hurt my feelings. So it was upsetting. And I was so proud of our daughter Ella who supported her mother and her mothers.

So I don’t think they knew what they were getting into. All these flippant, these supplicants, these opportunists like J. D. Vance and others who go on Fox News and other networks and say the most abhorrent things to see if they can get clicks and get attention of their dear leader Donald Trump. And it just shows. It’s just clownery. It’s buffoonery. And then when someone like that deigns to come on the national stage and run for one of the highest offices in the land, it’s such a clown. It’s such a fool. And now he’s been exposed and the whole world is laughing at him and Donald Trump for saying and running in that way to piss off as many people as they can.

We already know Trump should be nowhere near the White House again. And if you don’t want to hear from me, why don’t you talk to Mike Pence? Why don’t you talk to General Kelly, talk to Secretary Esper. Talk to people who were actually in the room, Bill Barr. These people know, they are saying this man is unfit to serve back then, he’s certainly a degraded version now, unfit now.

And then a guy like J. D. Vance who does not represent who we are as a country, our real values, let alone the disregard for our constitution, our rule of law, and our very way of life, it’s just appalling. So I’m honored now to have my wife be on the top of the ticket, somebody who is going to call out all these things. I’m so happy that my own family has my back and Kamala’s back and everyone else in the world who’s now seeing them for what they are. So it exposes Trump in a way that makes people remember how terrible he was. And I think the relief and the energy you’re seeing for Kamala Harris as a counterbalance, because people don’t want to feel that way anymore. The way we all felt during the Trump administration, we do not want to feel that way anymore. We want to feel joy, positivity. Oh, and can I say laughter?

Preet Bharara:

Yes.

Doug Emhoff:

One of the funny things is I love her laugh, that’s one of the reasons I’m so deeply in love with her.

Preet Bharara:

Doug, it’s crazy.

Doug Emhoff:

It has joy and laughter. It’s like, how is that a bad thing?

Preet Bharara:

Not only is it not a bad thing, I was just saying to another guest this week on the podcast that Kamala’s a normal person who laughs and experiences joy and the other guy, literally, there’s no documentation of him ever laughing ever.

Doug Emhoff:

Maybe he laughed when Roe v. Wade got overturned, because I know he was really happy about that.

Preet Bharara:

Maybe he laughs at some of the couch jokes. I don’t know. So speaking of criticism, I’ve already seen some disgusting things online. Is there a way that you and Kamala are bracing for what is unfortunately likely to be an outpouring from certain quarters of racism and misogyny? How do you deal with that and prepare for that?

Doug Emhoff:

Well, unfortunately it’s not new. She’s been dealing with that her entire life, her entire lived experience, her entire career. She’s been hearing the exact same tropes and disgusting things her whole career. So this is nothing new, we’re unfortunately used to it. She’s the toughest person I’ve ever met. And in the face of those things it’s like she elevates herself, it makes her stronger. And I have to fight my own husband inclination to get really… I’m the guy who jumped on a stage for her ready to rumble, so that’s me. So I have to kind of keep it in check because my nature is to protect her and those that I love. But I hate to say I’ve gotten used to it because this is a horrible thing to have to get used to. But like I said a couple of days ago, is that all you got?

Because if all you have is name-calling and debasement and telling women that they’re less than, which of course is their policy, if you look at the abortion bans and the devastation that the Dobbs decision, which is Trump’s fault, is raked on America. I mean, that’s who they are and that’s all they got. So they don’t have any policies that actually favor the American people. They don’t have anything to offer. You see when the Republicans can control Congress, they can’t get anything done, and it’s all clownery. So it’s almost fueling us to fight even harder. It’s fueling us to be on the right side of everything. It’s fueling us to have a vision of the future where we don’t have to deal with this anymore. Can you imagine in a Kamala Harris presidency, it’s going to be future focused, positive, joyful, and caring about others?

And she’s said many times this trope that a leader has to beat people down to show strength, that’s of course what we know as weakness. The true test of a leader’s character, it’s empathy, it’s concern for others and what a leader can do to help that suffering. And that was Joe Biden, and that’s certainly going to be Kamala Harris. And that’s why this is such a binary election. We can talk about them trying to destroy democracy with Project 2025 and which is literally a blueprint to destroy our way of life, our rule of law. We’ve already talked about Dobbs and just this abhorrence, this hellscape that it’s created against women and families. We know he wants to be an authoritarian. You know what he wants to do with the Department of Justice, to weaponize it. This is Trump’s America, chaos, craziness, incompetence. And then Kamala Harris’s America is about you. It’s about the people. It’s about their needs. It’s about us on the world stage. You’ve got Trump on his knees of basically a Putin and other dictators, and you’ve got Kamala Harris standing up for America.

Preet Bharara:

When you were talking, it reminded me of one of my favorite quotes from General Eisenhower who said, “A leader doesn’t hit someone over the head, that’s assault, not leadership.” I want to mention something else that you said to an outlet a couple of years ago, which I find very powerful. “Lifting women up so that they can carry out important roles is a very manly thing.” Why would anyone think otherwise?

Doug Emhoff:

Right. It surprised me so much coming from our profession where there’s so many amazing women in the legal profession, and me coming from LA in the creative community, my ex-wife, being a prominent producer, I’m just surrounded by strong and powerful women. And to me, it was pretty normal as the first man in this role to take a step back from my career to support my wife and to support the administration that this was just a normal thing to do. And I didn’t realize what I was stepping into sometimes, when I would just say things like this and I’d just get criticized for doing that. And so for me, it was a very natural thing to do. And the more I got into it, the more I realized using my voice… Where can I use my voice where it’ll be most effective? And that’s why gender equity writ large, which it’s not only reproductive issues, but it’s pay equity, it’s childcare, family leave, and all these things that we need and are available all around the world. I mean, that’s what I’ve gotten into.

And everywhere I’ve done around the world too, this issue has popped up. So I have said the same thing over and over again that we all need to support women. And by doing that, it doesn’t mean some man is failing somewhere. It’s not a zero-sum game. When we lift up women, we lift up the economy. This is objectively proved. We all benefit from it, and it’s the right thing to do. And women are just under attack, and you see the vile attacks against my wife, but they’re under attack. Look at J. D. Vance, the latest one was tracking women if they go out of state to seek reproductive… They do not value women as full citizens. It’s just bizarre. So for all those reasons, I have spoken out during my tenure as second gentleman. As first gentleman, I’m going to continue to speak out in support of that equity.

Preet Bharara:

You’ve spoken out on another issue that’s very important, that is, I know, close to your heart, and that is the rise of antisemitism. We had a speech from Bibi Netanyahu in Congress this past week, during which time there were protests in Washington where the American flag was burned, the Hamas flag was flown, the vice president gave a very strong statement. How did you feel when you were watching those things happen?

Doug Emhoff:

Well, I’m a Jewish person, like many Jewish people and many people, I have been in just a state of rage since October 7th, what Hamas did, how they did it, the violence that they perpetrated, the murder of children and women and torture. I have met with survivors of October 7th. I have met with released hostages. I’ve met with hostage families. I have spoken up about these issues repeatedly since October 7th. And I’ve spoken repeatedly about, there’s a line that is crossed between the First Amendment and the right to protest and to make your case to violence and burning American flags and all those things that we saw are abhorrent and disgusting and it made me really pissed off to tell the truth. So I was very proud of the Vice President’s statement on what happened.

Preet Bharara:

Do you see your role shifting in any fashion or the issues that you will focus on changing in any fashion if Kamala Harris becomes the next President of the United States?

Doug Emhoff:

Well, I think just this general fight against hate, because when I became second gentleman, it wasn’t just fighting anti-Semitism it was fighting against hate. And then unfortunately, because there was a lot of antisemitism, even before October 7th, we worked on the first-ever national strategy to counter antisemitism, which came out in May of 2023. So I fully expect to continue to work on fighting hate on behalf of the administration, hate of all kinds, because, Preet, as you know, this hate is a poison on our democracy. It’s what’s infecting so many of the things that we need to be operating our rule of law, our constitution. You see this hate coursing through the veins of our democracy and it’s very destructive. So we need to push back on it. We need to get our communities back together. We need to get our coalitions back together and fight it together. So that will continue.

I am going to continue as First Gentleman to continue the fight for gender equity and the fight for reproductive freedom and the fight for paid family leave and child care and all these things that we need to do. And another one which I’ve been passionate about, and I’m sure you are too as a lawyer, is access to justice, promoting pro bono and making sure that everyone who needs to access the courts and lawyers has a chance to do that. And now, because when we win, that means democracy has prevailed, and that means freedom and rule of law have prevailed. And I think we need to continue to educate folks on what that means and why we need to continue to be a free and fair democracy for now and then for the future, and educate people on the correlation between who is President and who gets on the Supreme Court for a lifetime appointment.

Because we’ve seen what the Supreme Court has done with Dobbs, the immunity decision, the abortion pill decision, which is just a placeholder on standing. So it’s a full-frontal attack on freedom. I know you know this, the concurring opinion of Dobbs from Justice Thomas had a, what else can we go after that’s based on Griswold? Who you can love, who you can marry, contraception, it’s all on the table. And I think we need to also make that case about how the systems work, because when people now act surprised that they don’t have reproductive freedom, you have to remind them, “Well, Donald Trump got elected. He got to pick three Supreme Court justices, and he said he wanted to pick justices that would overturn Roe. Those justices looked-

Preet Bharara:

They did.

Doug Emhoff:

… at a judiciary committee in the eye of which Kamala Harris was one,” and said, “Oh, we’ll uphold precedent.” Well, they didn’t. And now we’re in this, I’ve been calling it a hellscape. So I think people need to understand that in about a hundred days, we have an election in a hundred days where people can elect President Harris, who will sign into legislation laws that will protect reproductive freedom, voting rights, better gun legislation. All these things are possible because of an election.

So getting people to understand the connection between their vote and literally what happens to them. And Dobbs was an eye-opener and people realizing that, oh wow, a guy we elected president, got to choose these extremist Supreme Court Justices who took our rights away and now families are suffering for the last two years, how do we fix it? We need to change who’s president. We need to change who is in Congress, and we need legislation. And whoever gets to be the next president may get to pick more Supreme Court Justices, and can you imagine having the difference in our world for the next 40, 50 years if Kamala Harris is picking the next several Supreme Court Justices or Donald Trump, people need to realize that.

Preet Bharara:

Speaking of picking, can you say anything about the next Vice President of the United States?

Doug Emhoff:

Veepstakes?

Preet Bharara:

Yeah.

Doug Emhoff:

It’s interesting.

Preet Bharara:

It’s just you and me, I’ll keep it confidential.

Doug Emhoff:

I just know having gone through the Veepstakes myself as a spouse, we went through this process ourselves, so I have a… I can’t say much about what’s going on because there’s a process. But I know there’s some amazing people out there that are all amazing. They believe in freedom. They believe in the future. They believe in public service. And they are, whoever it’s going to be, is going to be a great partner to a President Harris in moving our country forward, not moving it back. And it’s going to be a real joyful, exciting world that we’re going to live in.

Preet Bharara:

I let you go in a second, but I do want to mention that when I turned on the television this morning, the breaking news was that Barack and Michelle Obama called Kamala Harris and gave her their endorsement. A, is that an especially sweet endorsement to have? And B, with that endorsement, is there any major endorsement that has not yet come her way in the Democratic universe?

Doug Emhoff:

I am not aware of any others, but it was a very beautiful video to see, to wake up to see that. I love what both Barack Obama and Michelle Obama both said. You could hear it in all their voices, the depth of the relationship, the authenticity of the support. And I know Kamala and I both appreciate their friendship for many years and their support. And I am definitely lobbying to get on the road with one or both of them, hopefully, and get them on the road. And look, this is an all hands on deck moment. You’ve seen the entire party coalesce, but you’re seeing-

Preet Bharara:

In six days, in six days.

Doug Emhoff:

But you’re seeing people, Republicans, Independents, people who were on the couch, oh wait, should I say that? No. And people who, sorry, who are now engaged, who weren’t before. And we’re going to channel all that, and I’m so grateful to have the Obamas now and we all get out there and get this done.

Preet Bharara:

Yeah. Well, you have a lot of support around the country. I think it’s been, as I said on social media, about as flawless a rollout that I could have ever imagined. I’m sure you feel the same way. I’ve one last public service to ask you to perform, and that is, could you use your influence in good offices to persuade the vice president that coming on my podcast would be an extraordinary thing?

Doug Emhoff:

I can barely talk to her right now, Preet, she’s busy.

Preet Bharara:

I know, I know.

Doug Emhoff:

… she’s out there-

Preet Bharara:

It was worth a shot.

Doug Emhoff:

… to save our democracy.

Preet Bharara:

It was worth a shot.

Doug Emhoff:

But she says hi. I told her I was coming on.

Preet Bharara:

Give her my best. I haven’t seen her in a bit as well, so I just wanted to… Look, this is an amazing thing. It’s going to be a tough road ahead no matter how well it goes. We wish you all the luck in the world. And for self-interested reasons, because I think the country can go in one of two directions, it can go forward or it can go backwards. And as I’ve seen her say again and again, “We will not go back. We’re not going back.”

Doug Emhoff:

That’s right.

Preet Bharara:

So all the support and help you need, you have, I hope. You are probably the second-busiest person in the country, if not the planet at the moment, so we appreciate your time. Second gentleman, Doug Emhoff, thanks so much.

Doug Emhoff:

And Preet, just want to say, look, we’re going to earn this. We’re not taking anything for granted. We are going to put the work in each and every day, and we’re going to run through the tape. We are not going to stop until this election’s over. So she and I and the entire Harris team and our surrogates and millions of people out there who are committed to a democracy and freedom, we’re going to do this work. And I’ll sleep on, I guess the 6th of November.

Preet Bharara:

Thank you, sir. I really appreciate it.

Doug Emhoff:

Take care. Good to talk to you, Preet. Bye-bye.

Preet Bharara:

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