Will President Joe Biden preemptively pardon people on the so-called Trump enemies list? In an excerpt from a new episode of the CAFE Insider podcast, Preet Bharara and Joyce Vance break down the balance of considerations involved.

In the full episode, Preet and Joyce further explore potential preemptive pardons. They also discuss the arrest of and charges  against Luigi Mangione, the suspect in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, and the Supreme Court oral arguments in a case challenging Tennessee’s ban on gender-affirming care for transgender minors.

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