In this bonus for CAFE Insiders, Elie Honig and Safeena Mecklai take listeners behind the scenes of the third episode of Up Against the Mob. They discuss the challenge of going undercover to infiltrate the mafia, the qualities that made Jack Garcia believable as a mobster operating at the highest levels of organized crime, and the support from family that both Garcia and Elie received in their pursuit of bringing criminals to justice.    

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Up Against the Mob is produced by CAFE Studios and the Vox Media Podcast Network. New episodes drop every Wednesday. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen. 

Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio Producers: Matthew Billy; Composer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producers: Noa Azulai, David Kurlander, Sam Ozer-Staton, Jake Kaplan.