In this episode, Kara Swisher, the prominent technology journalist and co-founder of Recode, joins Carlin to breakdown the dangers of social media, the challenge of maintaining privacy, and whether the biggest tech companies like Facebook and Twitter are too big. Swisher opens up about using TikTok on a burner phone, and why we need more voices like Senator Elizabeth Warren’s on Capitol Hill.

In this sample from the episode, Inglis and Swisher discuss whether November’s election is likely to be compromised by foreign cyber influences, what the recent partnership between Oracle and Tik Tok means for your privacy, and whether Silicon Valley’s most powerful technology companies should be broken up.

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